On episode 264 of the podcast, Chris Brennan and Benjamin Dykes talk about the origins of the idea of harm in historic Hellenistic and medieval astrology.
Years in the past I discovered that the origins of the idea of hurt are considerably mysterious, as it’s not often talked about by the Hellenistic astrologers and is normally not outlined together with the opposite basic “important dignities” of residence, elevation and fall.
Then out of the blue within the work of Rhetorius of Egypt, the final nice Hellenistic astrologer who lived across the sixth or seventh century, the injury is current as a full-blown idea and is handled together with the opposite important dignities.
In my ebook Hellenistic Astrology: The Research of Destiny and FortuneI suspected that this meant that both A) a drawback had developed by the late Hellenistic custom as a brand new idea, or B) Rhetorius was merely formalizing an idea that had been taken as a right by some earlier astrologers.
Once I revealed my ebook in 2017, I felt that I had discovered sufficient references to the idea within the earlier Hellenistic custom to recommend that Rhetorius didn’t invent the idea out of nothing, however drew on an earlier custom.
So my focus was on establishing quite a lot of English phrases which were associated to the idea for the reason that Greek time period Enantioma that Rhetorius solely meant “opposition” or “contradiction”. Ultimately, I made a decision on the phrases “adversity”, “exile” and “antithesis”. A part of this course of was mentioned in episode 44 of the Astrology podcast.
Then a few weeks in the past I got here throughout an article written by Anthony of Seven Stars Astrology earlier this 12 months entitled Detriment: A Questionable Distinction.
On this article, Anthony, aware of my earlier work on the topic by taking my Hellenistic course and studying my ebook, has made an outline of Hellenistic and early medieval references to disadvantages to indicate how sometimes the idea is talked about and to query the conclusion I reached in my ebook about its improvement.
Whereas some factors of curiosity have been addressed on this article, it was clear that some references to disadvantages within the earlier Hellenistic custom had been ignored or not acknowledged as such or, in some instances, downplayed as attainable interpolations.
This precipitated me to return and make my very own evaluate, with Levente László from the Horoi Translation Venture, of proof of disadvantages within the Hellenistic custom, and we discovered quite a lot of new references that had not been talked about in earlier research.
We’re publishing the outcomes of this survey right this moment similtaneously the publication of this podcast episode as an extra handout for dialogue:
References to the idea of hurt in Hellenistic astrology
These references depart little question that the idea of harm stems from the sooner Hellenistic astrological custom, which dates again to at the least the first and 2nd centuries AD.
Anthony declined an invite to hitch me on the podcast to debate this subject.
Once I was speaking to Benjamin Dykes about this, he despatched me a doc he had ready for his upcoming course on Medieval Astrology, by which he gave an outline of references to the idea within the early Medieval custom. Join the publication on Ben’s web site to obtain a notification when the course is out there:
Ben categorised the references into three teams to find out how the medieval astrologers perceived disadvantages:
- Inner division and contradiction
- Corruption, decay
- Stranger issues, strangers, others
Ben agreed to hitch me on the present to debate this subject and to evaluate among the varied references we discovered to get a greater understanding of the origins and makes use of of this idea in conventional astrology.
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