In episode 64, Kelly Surtees and Austin Coppock come on the show to talk about the Meanings of the seven classical heavenly bodies and how astrologers developed these meanings.
The topic was motivated by Chris, who recently completed a translation of a chapter on the Meaning of Planets by 2nd century astrologer Vettius Valens and wanted to discuss how astrologers conceptualized the planets when there were only seven.
Part of the purpose of this episode is to help astrologers become familiar with the meanings of the planets visible and how their meanings work as an intermediate group.
Below is an overview of some of the topics covered throughout the episode, followed by links to stream or download the recording.
- The structure is such that I worked on this chapter of my book about the planets for the last month and wanted to talk about it.
- Completion of a translation of Valens 1, 1 on the nature of the planets.
- It is important for astrologers to understand the 7 traditional planets themselves and not to be too dependent on the outer planets like a crutch.
- The 7 traditional planets are visible to the naked eye
- Distinction between visibility can still be relevant today
- Includes sun and moon as “planets”
- The original meaning of “planet” in contrast to today’s (wandering star)
- Where do the meanings come from? How would you generate it from scratch?
- While mythology is relevant, it is not as important or referred to as often in the early tradition as one might expect.
- Only in modern times has this become the primary point of contact for meanings.
- Raises some problems or questions about new planetary discoveries and whether some of the meanings are not generated on a partially incorrect premise.
- The most basic distinction is beneficial / bad.
- Linked to the observation fact that Venus & Jupiter are bright / Mars & Saturn are dark.
- Enables contrasts between polar opposites. Moral opposites. Subjective opposites.
- In a broader sense, contradiction becomes a core concept.
- For something to mean something, something must mean the opposite or an alternative.
- Ptolemy basic natures and temperaments.
- Changes due to the planetary state.
- Difficulty articulating an archetype.
- Discuss some of the main meanings of the seven classical planets, starting with the moon and then going on to Saturn.
A full transcript of this episode is available: Transcript of Episode 64
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