Episode 61 offers a discussion with astrologer and specialist in Babylonian astrology Maria Mateus about the origins of Hellenistic astrology.
We are primarily focused on a current debate that has developed in the astrological and academic community over the past few decades as to whether Hellenistic astrology is the result of a sudden invention or whether the techniques and teachings associated with it evolve gradually over several centuries to have.
For more information about Maria, please visit her website at LincosAstrology.com.
Below is a rundown of some of the topics we touched on over the course of the show, followed by links to stream or download the recording of this episode:
- The origins of Hellenistic astrology are somewhat unclear.
- Lack of surviving evidence in the last centuries BC
- The last surviving cuneiform diagram dates from 69 BC.
- First Greek literary table 72 BC. Then 43 BC. BC (Balbillius).
- Demotic card 38 BC
- The remainder are from the last decade from 1. Cent BC. Chr. Forward.
- Earliest datable texts: Thrasyllus and Manilius. Early 1st century AD
- Which techniques and concepts were inherited and passed on from the Mesopotamian or Egyptian tradition, compared to which concepts were developed in the Hellenistic tradition?
- What was inherited from the Mesopotamian tradition?
- Secular, natal and elective astrology.
- 12 zodiac signs
- Triplicities (without elementary qualities or later rulership scheme)
- Dwadashamshas / micro-zodiac / Telfth parts
- Advantageous / malicious distinction
- Decades (Egyptian tradition)
- Egyptians focused on ascending and culminating decades = houses.
- Mesopotamians focused on signs of the zodiac.
- The question is when the two were merged or when the houses were used
- What was introduced during the Hellenistic tradition?
- Quadruple system of planets, signs, houses, aspects.
- Many other things.
- Pingree’s definition of astrology as a problem.
- Astrology of Signs versus Astrology of Causes.
- Continuation of the sign-based astrology in the Hellenistic tradition.
- Proponents of the sudden invention hypothesis:
- (Other academics, like Cumont or Hubner)
- Advocates of gradual development
- Greenbaum and Ross – The role of Egypt in the development of the horoscope, 2010.
- Both sides tend to go too far with their arguments.
- Berossus as a possible example for individual transmissions and schools.
- The Hermes-Asclepius-Nechepso-Petosiris line.
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